Batrider Guide and Strategy - Jin'zakk Guide

lol @ the net skill.

Quote : Ok, this skill is like Rhasta's skill but not channeling and you can move around drag your victim anywhere.

Lol drag the opponent and tp home? haha...

is it possible to get our hands on the beta? plx

It is possible if alief link it or a beta tester leak it ...

Totally impossible. Most likely this won't be the skill set for him. It's too easy to get away from enemies and unless Batrider is slowed when the net is used, it's too imbalanced.

How about you just upload the fuckin map so we can check it out by ourselves instead of reading your retarded discriptions in broken english you enormous cockpile?

@ Anonymous,

Get a life. People like you are not welcome here. Apparently, english is not the author's mother language so if you can't take it, go search another dota blog that is "less retarded".

I don't think that this hero is going to be included in the final version. It could (have) been a surprise. Icefrog never announced that there would be a Batrider in 6.60 (in a non-funmode game).

He's gonna be hit with the nerfstick; or not implemented at all. A wonderful hero concept, but way too imba. I just did some testing and you can drop your enemy ANYWHERE with the drag-thing skill. Between trees, in unpassable terrain, on cliffs. Anywhere.

Meh i don't like the batrider nor his skills. >.<

Err, precisely, the first skill "Sticky Napalm" does damage by activating it... If you notice, once you get this spell you'll learn 2 new spells: Single Strike (don't work yet¬¬) and Great Explosion (does AoE damage and pulls all units around the target about 500aoe)...

The second "Incinerate" skill is bugged.

The third skill allows you to fly, and the fire that you left behind will do spell damage to enemies that pass near it - you can use this to combo with your ultimate - you may grab a victim and activate Firefly, you'll see that the damage dealt is not something to be kidding at

Umm, the map has already been shared. You just need to put a bit of effort into looking into the other threads.

@Anonymous:
The skills you're describing are from Beta 21. They've been changed in Beta 45. Read my description up there.

Just update the pictures ;) Well, this heroes is full of flames, i like the animation, especially the second skill ^^

If you're a World Editor user, like me, you really get to appreciate how clever the Sticky Napalm skill was in using the oily effect. Icefrog's a clever bastard.

I still don't like that fact that you can drag someone up a hill and leave them there. May be he can trigger it so that the dragged unit cannot go through cliffs. That would be better.

It would be a fun joke if Froggy were to put the "Get over here!" sound from Mortal Combat and play it when Lasso (or Meat Hook) casts.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but Firefly was made to combo with TB's ultimate so that it will do DPS to units that come to walk over the fire path left behind - if u use firefly + ulti properly, you are able to draw something near 200 dmg to the grabbed unit.

200 dmg is hardly anything for an int nuker. :/
And why 'TB', lol? The Batrider? Should be BR if anything.

It's 'Quelling Blades' and yeah, their multiplicative stacking is very imbalanced. Don't worry, I'm sure the Beta Testers have informed him of it.
I expect him to change it to additive stacking. That way two blades would give you +80%, not +96%, three would give +120%, not +174%, etc.

the new tavern listing sucks.. hope they won't approve of this..

for all of you who think that batriders ulti is imba.... it just drags the opponent but does nothing else (dragged guy can still attack if he can come close enuf didnt check it yet but i think the netted guy is silenced tho) and teleport cancels the skill (no more raider gayshit...) so its quite balanced i think

Seems all cool to me, except firefly is bound to cause some problems with getting stuck in terrain, or dragging people into terrain.
I reckon that during the effect, he should get:
Speed boost
Fire trail damage
Weaker attack damage

ezalor's = base = ulti + telle ally.

net the noob and then gg.

ya know, wan you tp while you have a hero, itll leave da hero

i have bad english, noh?

Batrider is a well invented hero. Much better than others. Needs briefer text desciptions.
Main Point - He is a fun hero but would be funner if other heroes were made with more effort and attention.

Pie.

How about dragging someone over a mine field laid out by a teammate techie?

Would that trigger the mines and kill the victim?

That might be a nasty combo.

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At lvl.16 with his ulti at lvl.3 always have tp or bot in ur inventory!
If u see an enemy hero grab him and teleport to ur fountain quickly! The enemy hero will instantly die in ur fountain!
Too imba!


I think batrider is not available yet on the official 6.60! Due to his imba skill that can instantly kill and even trap enemies on a mountain! GoDLiKe...


I think flaming lasso damages the targeted unit depending on pulling! I mean, like rupture, the target will be damaged when moving!

omg... what freaking noobs are here posting? with quelling blade finish in 4,5 min pff :D and the screenshot... -apEM !! :D
and thoose mass enemys, who do something against your farm :D:D:D RETARD`???!

then end of dota era .. haizz ... let's wait for guinsoo new map .. the wat legends of land or watever ..

Razor + Tauren + Batrider! skills too imba.. tauren ulti stun way too laong + dmg! too fake! ice frog should rmk these heroes! batrider should change the 2nd skill.. i can drive ppl into rivers and stuff

With his Ulti and the new Force Staff you can pull in enemy heros from quite a far distance.

Especially the force staff is quite uber in my opinion.

For peopel who are interested in playing this guy, the skills re what is posted above, and when you get to level 6, you can drag them into your tower and let it do all the work for you, then hit with a fire blast thingy to finish off, also, know the annoying tree? well you can burn the trees he's using to go invis with your firefly

Not really Imba.
Unless grab haste rune,
net drag to your team
GG 5 man gank.

wow nice hero for teammate! hehe if me dagger + dagon alrdy enough, GB, GB & GB...ownage

I think batrider's ulti works well with sand king, tauren chieftain as they have casting time skills

this guy is like pandaren in HLW...u know, the guy with drunken haze and breath of fire? that hero...not very inventive skills, the first two...the last two were a bit better though. Very imba, owned abbadon even with his ult...FUNNY AS HELL but he was a nub

my item built for batrider are(after null/bracer/bottle and stuff):
boot
force stuff
phaseboots
then it could be bloodstone
and maybe ghost scepter
these items give very high surviability due to firefly and make a deadly combo with firefly and ulty.

combo1 (a target is facing your tower)

firefly+force_stuff+ulty(+phase boots maybe)+ twoer_hits+firefly dmg

if the target survives

then sticki_napalm(1x or 2x)for the slow and flame brake as a finisher

i was not so sure about ghost scepter in the begining but its a real life saver sometimes and its usefull lategame

if a dpg hunts u just firefly/ghost and play with the ledges

the nerf is 100% sure in my opinion

Dagon or shiva guard also a good choice for Batrider.

I think yasha and/or lothars edge is really good for him.
When you use your ultimate and drag him, it only stays on for a limited time. The faster you are the greater distance you pull your enemy.
For fun I experimented with it, I used force staff, used ulti, activate lothars edge (you wont get interrupted by his teammates) and you drag him safe and sound to your teammates.

I would like to note that firefly and lothars edge disables the firefly ability to cross trees. Not sure about cliffs though, I think it disables it aswell. I forgot.

bloodstone+treads+some kind of disable+forcie(for shooting them into your lasso) is pretty much all u need
this guy has loads of hp, he just needs some major mana regeneration
i suggest him go mid, cuz he has such big ganking abilities like flamebreak and firefly+ sticky is a really good combo
the skill build should be:
1.flamebreak
2sticky napalm
3firefy
4flamebreak
5sticky napalm
6flaming lasso
7flamebreak
8sticky napalm
9flamebreak
10sticky
from here u get the rest
i suggest BoT will do cuz of his movespeed, you really need that for his firefly( great running and chasin) and sticky napalm wont help u much with that little cuite 12%slow or whatever. it's not enough for u to chase, so the best is you have to have MS to kill those betches who u wanna kill =)
maybe add a blink dagger so u BLINK IN AND THEN DRAG, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. besides, flamin lasso can only be activated when the dude is really close, i dont like the fact of that.

My batrider built
1 Bottle
BKB/Lothars
Treads/Phase Boots
Desolator
Guinsoo/Shiva
Bloodstone

*These combos requires FOG and practice* FYI flamebreak has a ministun
(Lothar) Initiator Combo : go Fog + Spam Sticky Napalm -> cast Firefly+Lothar(walk with enemies)
->FlameBreak(steal kill/kill)-> Lasso anyone ->attack/drag

(BKB) Combo 1 : fog->Sticky Napalm->firefly->BKB->lasso->drag
Combo 2: BKB->lasso->drag

(Guinsoo)Ganking Combo:
Guinsoo priority -> Flamebreak supporting hero + Lasso + Normal attack/drag

(Shiva)Ganking Combo: upon ally starts initiating, go in shiva->firefly->lasso->lothar drag(isolate)/norm attack.

Isolate Combo: stay fogged and when about to gank and timing is right, cast flamebreak in fog->lasso+lothars(towards your allies/tower)->sticky napalm
OR just lasso+lothars when perfect timing.

i think the best item for batrider is:

RADIANCE!!!!!!

oh yeah.. the burning aura of this thing combusts the napalm too! o_O

batrider is pretty imba in damaging, escaping, farming, ganking, etc..

but low life.. >_<

low life? this guy has a massive str gain considering the fact that hes an int hero ._.

^
I agree.

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Shouldn't Radiance be a core? Adds to Firefly (unless of course Lasso + Firefly is not your play style)

Wow so if you had a refresher....

Well i believe that radiance is a great item for batrider but he is one of the best gangers in the game,its a waste to farm with him..
u should buy it if you farm it really fast by farming heroes or just let some1 else in your team to take it.
Also i find lot more practical and cheaper force stuff and phase boots for him.

my built is:

bottle
phaseboots
forcestuff
shivas/guinso if i am doing ok
or bloodstone/bkb if i die

Also i find very redicolus he has 1 of the best base damage on the game,on of the best base hp and he is ranged,intell,and all the times i have used him i am doind quite well..nerfff!!!

Batrider needs a Str gain nerf period.

Is mekansm a good item for BR?

As for my buld I get:

1.Treads(Int)
2.Mekansm
3.Force
4.Guinsoo
5.Bloodstone
6.Dagger

I think It's good.Of course BR is good too.It's a great combination:)

The best items ive seen working and that are easy to farm are lothars and orchid. THESE are the only "late game" items I've seen work well.

All you need for Bat is a force staff, then you do the high flying thing, ulti someone, and force yourself backwards... dead.

did u know..
with batrider we can :
drag the hero to the unreachable river hole that located in Up and down path line.. Don't kill him, then he will wait there until end of the game...haha.

yeah! but u must do firefly skill too.

@ronin

do u ever heard of -unctuck command?

@above
Is there even such a thing? I only heard b4 the -unstuck command.

item build for batrider is

1.bracers (strength)
2.phase boots
3.force staff
4.battle fury
5.hood of defiance
6.tarasque 2x

lvl1:firefly
lvl2:flamebreak
lvl3:firefly
lvl4:flamebreak
lvl5:firefly
lvl6:flaming lasso
lvl7:flamebreak
lvl8:stats
lvl9:flamebreak
lvl10:firefly
lvl11:flaming lasso
lvl12-21:stat
lvl22-25:sticky napalm

no one can stop u, the items gives you nonstop regen of life, but the pros about this items you must have a terrible farming ability., neverthless you will have a great attack and great regen

the first time i tried using the 2 new heroes, i used BR , thenn just when i was about to lose when TC's guarding my fountain from the rear side, i used the ulti and dragged him to the fountain and made a comeback LOL

LOL @ the guy making battlefury for BR

OMFG!!!
Seriusly man bfury on Bat?!?
wtf

ranged heroes can't use cleave!!!

i prefer more to eul, hex, shiva or dagon to do combo..well he got nice str and int even base dmg for a range hero..

maybe i'll just use eadiance instead of shiva's guard

Hiii...

I just wana edit somthing in the item build.. in the new version... (6.61b) the phase boots are not compatible with the level 3 spell

@BaTMaN XD - wow, really? I'll check it soon. Thanks for noticing :)

How about an idea,
You can blink melee hero into the woods an attack the hero without losing hp hehe

u MUST get a radiance
it owns so hard with sticky napalm
RADIANCE = MUST

Hi all ... i never lost with this build :

Treads
Manta
Satanic
buriza
shiva
then what u want..
BR do MASS DMG ... so u have to use it ... with critic and manta... its ownage

lv1 firefly
lv2 napalm
lv3 firefly
lv4 napalm
lv5 firefly
lv6 laso
lv7 firefly
lv8 napalm
lv9 napalm
lv10 flame break
lv11 laso
lv12 flame break
lv13 flame break
lv14 flame break

note: at lv4, you can now kill any agi or int enemy. but by lv4, you should have a ring of health and a stout shield.

how to kill: stick napalm>>>firefly>>>stay on top of the enemy>>>napalm>>>and hit the enemy if they try to fight!

if the enemy tries to tele, use laso or flame break.

items

-ring of basilius & tango (game starts)
-vanguard or hood of defiance or both
-boots of travel
-radiance
-heart of tarrasque
-blade mail
-ghost cepter

you can kill an eneme every cool down of firefly

bracers 2x,phase boots,is good for early ganking.....

LONGLIVE.....!!!!!!GODSMACK

hey i once battled a batrider, and i used clinkz , and i discovered that clinkz is a great counter for batrider, the batrider's built was radiance,mkb,HoT,treads,dominator and dagon.. and my clinkz built was BoT, 2butterfly, burize and mkb, and it sur does own. sorry if i posted a reply thats not about jinzak, xori, but thnks...

real nice item for him i think is force staff...it can make u drag ur prey for further distance. 1st, firefly, then lasso. quickly turn back and click force staff to yourself...it will make extra drag distance thus easily kill 1 hero by helps from allies..

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magic stick, void stone, boots, ultimate orb, PT, sell stick, buy guinsoo, and then force staff, when you have voidstone use flamebrake to harass the enemy, if you are targeted often buy blademail instead of the force staff

batrider + pudge + vs + watiforit...
techies.

my combo

1st.sticky napalm
2nd.flamebreak
3rd.firefly
4th.lasso

its good..try it..

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XD
there is already BoT why is there a tp?

in the beginning of the game we can't affort BOT first can we???so the TP is still exist..

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Solo as Bat
Lv1 Goop
Lv2 Firefly
Goop them 5ish times and then firefly them down, if they try to fight, enjoy your fb+double kill

Batrider?

No need to up flamebreak... juz play sticky naplam n firefly.... Sure Owning.. xD... if up flamebreak at early game, sure dn have enough mana... up sticky naplam and firefly, ring of bassilus enough to spam sticky naplam n firefly... firefly will be pwerfull if staCK It with naplam.. enemy will be slowed. stick naplam and firefly, enough to kill ... easy... but need play tanker....

i suggest to skill build for bat.

lvl 1 - stick naplam
Lvl 2- Firefly
lvl 3 - firefly
lvl 4 - stick naplm
lvl 5 - firefly
lvl 6 - laso
lvl 7 - stick naplam
lvl 8 - firefly
lvl 9 stick naplam
lvl 10- flamebreak
lvl11- laso
lvl 12-14 -flamebreak
lvl 15- stats
lvl 16- laso
lvl17-25 :stats.

Item at early game: Bassilus, scout shield, branch, boots

mid game's item: Boots of travel, vanguard, bassilus,

Late game : 2x tarras, boot of travel, radiance, talisman of evasion, shiva, .. (blademail needed depends by situation)

Sure owning.. try it....

basically, [RS]Supra's got the idea...
Never lost a game as bat yet, follow his lvl builds, but on early item builds, you gotta trust me on this one.
on a standard 5v5 you'll start with roughly 600 gold.

From the start, buy....
$500 - boots (TRUST ME, ESP IF UR SOLO)
$100 - hp

Batrider, is the BEST solo in the game. period.
you can easily outlane tinker,sf, you name it. just make sure you get boots AS A FIRST ITEM, THAT STEREOTYPE WHERE "ONLY NOOBS GO BOOTS FIRST" HAS BEEN BROKEN.

questions or comments... pm fnatic.frenziK @ uswest

can you forcestaff away while your pulling??

TRY IT BITCH

TP home LOL
Sure kill
ahhahhah

Hey guys did you notice that when you buy radiance and use sticky palm on your enemy,it makes a burn on them,do radiance effect is amplified when you use an napalm

erm, batrider is a cool killer heroes in my opinion, the sticky spell is just way too imba,, u can cast it from range (if u r really good, u can cast it far from any nuker's range,) and once the sticky napalm stackc about 5 to 10 times, run to them and use fire fly, it stacks! seriously.. the total damage could amount to 1K if ur careful! and with ur ulti, ur guranteed 100% kill in solo lane battle.. but i dunno if they twerk it in newer version? anyone knows?

what are the true builds in Batrider... i realy wanna know you see in feb. 14. 2011 ill fight my classmate and i really need to use that hero we will have a bet..about my fav. girl...

batrider IS EXTREMELY imba when solo. Dont get 2nd skill it sucks... When in MID, get 1st skill then keep spamming it on your enemy. If he/she is a noob and don't fall back for a while to remove the buff, use firefly on lvl 2 then chase it...FB!! Not even lion, morphling, akasha, nevermore, zeus, tinker, or any other good soloer can match this guy >:) For the build, i recommend ring of basilius on lvl 1 and a heal. My build for him in order is:

ring of basilius
ring of health
stout
boots
2x blades of attack (phase boots)
vitality booster (vanguard)
Point booster
vitality booster
the other booster(sorry i forgot the name)
ring of health
complete blood stone
it is up to you
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it is up to you
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it is up to you

trust me, jinzakk is made to be a mid hero's WORST NIGHTMARE XD

ulti+firefly=>drag the enemy toward the tree on cliff(get him stuck there)

then dagger out safely=free kill..unless the enemy has the dagger too..

maybe you should try to full your first skill first because that's what the one that makes batrider imba.. in early game , that is the best build for him giving it slow to enemys and advantage to your allies.. this hero is imba because only on level 2 , you can easily kill heroes. they are all papers...

if u can drag it to the tree lols..u noobie...

flamebreak for stopping the enemy for awhile
flamebreak+ulti+sticky napalm(rapidly)=kill

batrider is for one on one and assasinating the enemy
the flame break can be used as a blid attack for escaping heroes that in your blind spot
the only problem is, if your allies help you , they may be the one to claim the kill

LOL but Timing is noticable according 2 my Observation Tp's Channeling time is not compatible with laso XD

u cant get enough attack when you cast sticky napalm at the same time...your ult's time is just 4s dude, u can only get 2 hits, with 2 napalm cast...just about 200 damage...
.
hav u found hero with 200 base HP?

i play with batrider with just survival items only and not damage because you get damage from sticky napalm and firefly if lvl 6 you can use firefly then flamming laso drag him towards to your firefly`s fire

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